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> <channel><title>Comments on: Deborah Kerr: What Lies Beneath</title> <atom:link href="http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/</link> <description>The Oscars, film awards, new releases, Los Angeles screenings, movie classics, gay movies, film festivals, box office, foreign and independent films</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 05:29:46 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Andre Soares</title><link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-526860</link> <dc:creator>Andre Soares</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:45:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-526860</guid> <description>Hey Gaurav,
First of all, thanks for writing. Glad you enjoyed the Deborah Kerr post.
Now, what about Deborah Kerr replacing Ingrid Bergman in &quot;Notorious,&quot; or &quot;Under Capricorn,&quot; or &quot;Spellbound&quot;? Quite a bit of &quot;repressed emotion&quot; in those movies, no?
I think Alec Guinness was a brilliant actor. But really, most actors then (and now) tend to play the same types of roles over and over again. It&#039;s relatively rare for someone to break the mold, try something new, and fully succeed (careerwise) at it. Barbara Stanwyck comes to mind. Joan Bennett, too. There haven&#039;t been many others, I don&#039;t think.
Thanks again for writing and sharing your thoughts.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Gaurav,</p><p>First of all, thanks for writing. Glad you enjoyed the Deborah Kerr post.</p><p>Now, what about Deborah Kerr replacing Ingrid Bergman in "Notorious," or "Under Capricorn," or "Spellbound"? Quite a bit of "repressed emotion" in those movies, no?</p><p>I think Alec Guinness was a brilliant actor. But really, most actors then (and now) tend to play the same types of roles over and over again. It's relatively rare for someone to break the mold, try something new, and fully succeed (careerwise) at it. Barbara Stanwyck comes to mind. Joan Bennett, too. There haven't been many others, I don't think.</p><p>Thanks again for writing and sharing your thoughts.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gaurav</title><link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-526824</link> <dc:creator>Gaurav</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:24:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-526824</guid> <description>Andre,
An excellent post, though I don&#039;t agree with all of your conclusions. Nonetheless, I enjoyed your article and your conclusions were well argued. I however can&#039;t see Deborah Kerr as taking on the role in any of Hitchcock&#039;s films, since Hitchcock&#039;s women tend to be (usually) cold, statuesque blondes which Deb certainly isn&#039;t - she has far too much repressed emotion that simmers beneath.
However, I can see her in some of Hitch&#039;s greatest (and consequently least known) films such as The Wrong Man and Shadow of a Doubt where Vera Miles also did an excellent job. Of course, the above two films are my personal favourites and I daresay, not everyone&#039;s cup of tea but I find them more interesting than Vertigo, Notorious, Dial M for Murder, etc among others.
It would have been interesting if any of male roles had been substituted for a female role as you mentioned, but that would have been far too radical and consequently would&#039;ve run into trouble. In place of James Stewart I can think of any number of fine actors such as James Mason, Ronald Colman (10 years younger), etc.
And lastly, I just wanted to comment on stereotyping - Deb was seen as the personification of the English rose. Sadly, at least one other actor suffered from a similar case of stereotyping - Alec Guinness.
Alec Guinness was either the (stereo)typical British gentleman in Lean&#039;s films or a fixture in Ealing comedies. My own feeling is that, like Deb, although in a very different way, there was much more to him that the roles he played and if given the opportunity, I feel that his true talent could have been expressed to its fullest.
I&#039;d be interested in hearing your opinion regarding this.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andre,</p><p>An excellent post, though I don't agree with all of your conclusions. Nonetheless, I enjoyed your article and your conclusions were well argued. I however can't see Deborah Kerr as taking on the role in any of Hitchcock's films, since Hitchcock's women tend to be (usually) cold, statuesque blondes which Deb certainly isn't &#8211; she has far too much repressed emotion that simmers beneath.<br
/> However, I can see her in some of Hitch's greatest (and consequently least known) films such as The Wrong Man and Shadow of a Doubt where Vera Miles also did an excellent job. Of course, the above two films are my personal favourites and I daresay, not everyone's cup of tea but I find them more interesting than Vertigo, Notorious, Dial M for Murder, etc among others.</p><p>It would have been interesting if any of male roles had been substituted for a female role as you mentioned, but that would have been far too radical and consequently would've run into trouble. In place of James Stewart I can think of any number of fine actors such as James Mason, Ronald Colman (10 years younger), etc.</p><p>And lastly, I just wanted to comment on stereotyping &#8211; Deb was seen as the personification of the English rose. Sadly, at least one other actor suffered from a similar case of stereotyping &#8211; Alec Guinness.</p><p>Alec Guinness was either the (stereo)typical British gentleman in Lean's films or a fixture in Ealing comedies. My own feeling is that, like Deb, although in a very different way, there was much more to him that the roles he played and if given the opportunity, I feel that his true talent could have been expressed to its fullest.</p><p>I'd be interested in hearing your opinion regarding this.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andre Soares</title><link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-525654</link> <dc:creator>Andre Soares</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 01:09:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-525654</guid> <description>Hey, Karen,
Thanks very much for writing.
I gotta rewatch THE JOURNEY. It&#039;s been a while. I can&#039;t remember those subtleties you mention. I should also check out THE CHALK GARDEN once again. It&#039;s been a while as well...
And yes, Deborah Kerr in &quot;Virginia Woolf&quot; and &quot;Miss Jean Brodie.&quot; I could think of a few other titles as well... I love Peggy Ashcroft in A PASSAGE TO INDIA, but I wonder what Kerr could have brought to that role. Kerr, in fact, would have been sensational in the Judy Davis role had A PASSAGE TO INDIA been made 30 years earlier.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Karen,<br
/> Thanks very much for writing.<br
/> I gotta rewatch THE JOURNEY. It's been a while. I can't remember those subtleties you mention. I should also check out THE CHALK GARDEN once again. It's been a while as well&#8230;<br
/> And yes, Deborah Kerr in "Virginia Woolf" and "Miss Jean Brodie." I could think of a few other titles as well&#8230; I love Peggy Ashcroft in A PASSAGE TO INDIA, but I wonder what Kerr could have brought to that role. Kerr, in fact, would have been sensational in the Judy Davis role had A PASSAGE TO INDIA been made 30 years earlier.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Karen Churn</title><link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-525652</link> <dc:creator>Karen Churn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:58:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-525652</guid> <description>Oh, and &quot;The Journey&quot; is another one that is absolutely fabulous.  There was this smoldering thing between her and Yul Brynner that was pretty mesmerizing.  They do not make them like that anymore.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and "The Journey" is another one that is absolutely fabulous.  There was this smoldering thing between her and Yul Brynner that was pretty mesmerizing.  They do not make them like that anymore.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Karen Churn</title><link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-525651</link> <dc:creator>Karen Churn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:47:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-525651</guid> <description>I just found this article a couple of days ago and was delighted that someone else saw what I truly love about the lovely Miss Kerr.  I&#039;m in the process of viewing all of her movies (I think that I&#039;ve seen nearly 40 in six weeks!) and her talent was phenomenal. I&#039;m now a HUGE fan.  All you have to do is pay attention to her eyes and what she did with her those lovely,  delicate hands to get a feel for what is really going on inside the different characters she played.  I can&#039;t get enough of &quot;The Chalk Garden&quot;, &quot;The Night of the Iguana&quot;, Tea and Sympathy&quot; and &quot;Black Narcissus&quot;.  All four, I think, have that undercurrent of the &quot;danger&quot; you write about that is truly powerful.  Although, I have to admit that I didn&#039;t get the same impression that you did regarding &quot;The Chalk Garden&quot;.  However, I agree wholehearted about how exciting it would have been to see her in &quot;Who&#039;s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?&quot; and &quot;The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie&quot; even though I&#039;m a huge Maggie Smith fan as well.  Great article even if I am four years late in reading it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this article a couple of days ago and was delighted that someone else saw what I truly love about the lovely Miss Kerr.  I'm in the process of viewing all of her movies (I think that I've seen nearly 40 in six weeks!) and her talent was phenomenal. I'm now a HUGE fan.  All you have to do is pay attention to her eyes and what she did with her those lovely,  delicate hands to get a feel for what is really going on inside the different characters she played.  I can't get enough of "The Chalk Garden", "The Night of the Iguana", Tea and Sympathy" and "Black Narcissus".  All four, I think, have that undercurrent of the "danger" you write about that is truly powerful.  Although, I have to admit that I didn't get the same impression that you did regarding "The Chalk Garden".  However, I agree wholehearted about how exciting it would have been to see her in "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" and "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie" even though I'm a huge Maggie Smith fan as well.  Great article even if I am four years late in reading it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: marina</title><link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-525243</link> <dc:creator>marina</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 04:45:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-525243</guid> <description>If you want to see one of the more believable erotic screen kisses ,then watch &#039;The Journey&#039; with Deborah Kerr and Yul Brynner
- An overlooked gem of a film-I think its one of her best performances and definitely his-  in russian forsooth! -Their chemistry is intense
and Yul Brynner  in black leather-what else is there
If you cant find the film then just watch the kiss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGSUL9m5hcw</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to see one of the more believable erotic screen kisses ,then watch 'The Journey' with Deborah Kerr and Yul Brynner</p><p>- An overlooked gem of a film-I think its one of her best performances and definitely his-  in russian forsooth! -Their chemistry is intense</p><p>and Yul Brynner  in black leather-what else is there</p><p>If you cant find the film then just watch the kiss <a
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGSUL9m5hcw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGSUL9m5hcw</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andre Soares</title><link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-241853</link> <dc:creator>Andre Soares</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:04:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-241853</guid> <description>Hey, Marcus,
Thanks for the comment.
Sex in movies -- especially American movies -- have usually been shown as something deadly (gotta pay for your sins) or something cute/funny. Deborah kerr didn&#039;t do sex either way. Gotta love her for that.
Once the AFI FEST is over, I&#039;ll check out &quot;The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp.&quot; I wonder what Kerr has to offer in that one.
Now, &quot;Vertigo&quot; I found overlong and superficial; &quot;Rear Window&quot; I found much too conventional. And they both star a -- in my view -- woefully miscast James Stewart. He all but ruins both movies for me.
Someone like James Mason -- or Deborah Kerr -- would have been much better in those two films. (Imagine Deborah Kerr obsessed with Kim Novak or having a relationship with Grace Kelly. Beautiful coupling.)
Eva Marie Saint always came across as a warm actress. (I&#039;ve seen her in person. She&#039;s very effusive and chatty.) But in Hitchcock&#039;s &quot;North by Northwest&quot; she plays a cool blonde. Deborah Kerr was an outstanding actress. If she could be convincing as a rural Australian woman (in &quot;The Sundowners&quot;), I&#039;d say she could surely play a cool blonde for Hitchcock.
In addition to the James Stewart roles, she could have played the &quot;spy&quot; in &quot;Notorious.&quot; She&#039;d have been much better than Ingrid Bergman. Same in &quot;Under Capricorn&quot; or &quot;Spellbound.&quot;
In fact, I could picture Kerr in just about every Hitchcock film, from the mousy &quot;I&quot; de Winter to any (or all) of the characters in &quot;Family Plot.&quot; (Note: I must admit that I can&#039;t picture Deborah Kerr singing &quot;Que Sera Sera,&quot; but she could easily have played James Stewart&#039;s role in that film.)
Russell Crowe sexy? Hmmm... I think I&#039;d rather look at Jane Russell or Gail Russell or Theresa Russell or Rosalind Russell or even Ken Russell.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Marcus,</p><p>Thanks for the comment.</p><p>Sex in movies &#8212; especially American movies &#8212; have usually been shown as something deadly (gotta pay for your sins) or something cute/funny. Deborah kerr didn't do sex either way. Gotta love her for that.</p><p>Once the AFI FEST is over, I'll check out "The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp." I wonder what Kerr has to offer in that one.</p><p>Now, "Vertigo" I found overlong and superficial; "Rear Window" I found much too conventional. And they both star a &#8212; in my view &#8212; woefully miscast James Stewart. He all but ruins both movies for me.</p><p>Someone like James Mason &#8212; or Deborah Kerr &#8212; would have been much better in those two films. (Imagine Deborah Kerr obsessed with Kim Novak or having a relationship with Grace Kelly. Beautiful coupling.)</p><p>Eva Marie Saint always came across as a warm actress. (I've seen her in person. She's very effusive and chatty.) But in Hitchcock's "North by Northwest" she plays a cool blonde. Deborah Kerr was an outstanding actress. If she could be convincing as a rural Australian woman (in "The Sundowners"), I'd say she could surely play a cool blonde for Hitchcock.</p><p>In addition to the James Stewart roles, she could have played the "spy" in "Notorious." She'd have been much better than Ingrid Bergman. Same in "Under Capricorn" or "Spellbound."</p><p>In fact, I could picture Kerr in just about every Hitchcock film, from the mousy "I" de Winter to any (or all) of the characters in "Family Plot." (Note: I must admit that I can't picture Deborah Kerr singing "Que Sera Sera," but she could easily have played James Stewart's role in that film.)</p><p>Russell Crowe sexy? Hmmm&#8230; I think I'd rather look at Jane Russell or Gail Russell or Theresa Russell or Rosalind Russell or even Ken Russell.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marcus Tucker</title><link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-241549</link> <dc:creator>Marcus Tucker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:00:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-241549</guid> <description>Andre,
Thank goodness, I was begining to think I was the only person to think of Kerr as sexy rather than a &quot;great lady&quot;. She was even a sexy nun. I think her sex appeal was really natural, she just always
seemed like a real woman and not like an actress trying to play a real woman. I also agree with you about the sexless sex icons in films. Marilyn Monroe has sex appeal but is was usually one
dimensional in her films, like most sex icons, Marilyn was cute but she only came across to me as sexy in a few films, one of those being the THE MISFITS. The longing liquid eyes did it for me rather then the undulating curves.
But I just can&#039;t see Kerr in a Hitchcock film. It&#039;s just so hard to envision, not that she wouldn&#039;t be good, but definately (as early as the 30&#039;s) had a type and she wasn&#039;t it at all. Not a frozen beauty,
but from the obituraries in the Associated press you&#039;d be inclined to think so. Under another director I can picture her in some of those
roles, but Hitchcock had a love of the statuesque frozen beauty. Kerr was much too warm and inviting. Although I am curious as to what you find lacking in VERTIGO &amp; REAR WINDOW aside from Jimmy Stewart;)
I think Deborah represented sex in real life.
Back to the sex goddesses of the silver screen I agree with you about their limitations a child-women, vamps, frozen glamour goddesses and such. I love Marlene Dietrich but she was stuck in one persona (but WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION &amp; TOUCH OF EVIL prove her range) I think actors like to be comfortable, but a few mavericks in Hollywood like
to challenge themselves. Only a few *sigh*. More Meryl less Russell(I should have another Oscar) Crowe. Wasn&#039;t he better before he won? And sexier?
Marcus</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andre,</p><p>Thank goodness, I was begining to think I was the only person to think of Kerr as sexy rather than a "great lady". She was even a sexy nun. I think her sex appeal was really natural, she just always<br
/> seemed like a real woman and not like an actress trying to play a real woman. I also agree with you about the sexless sex icons in films. Marilyn Monroe has sex appeal but is was usually one<br
/> dimensional in her films, like most sex icons, Marilyn was cute but she only came across to me as sexy in a few films, one of those being the THE MISFITS. The longing liquid eyes did it for me rather then the undulating curves.</p><p>But I just can't see Kerr in a Hitchcock film. It's just so hard to envision, not that she wouldn't be good, but definately (as early as the 30's) had a type and she wasn't it at all. Not a frozen beauty,<br
/> but from the obituraries in the Associated press you'd be inclined to think so. Under another director I can picture her in some of those<br
/> roles, but Hitchcock had a love of the statuesque frozen beauty. Kerr was much too warm and inviting. Although I am curious as to what you find lacking in VERTIGO &amp; REAR WINDOW aside from Jimmy Stewart;)</p><p>I think Deborah represented sex in real life.</p><p>Back to the sex goddesses of the silver screen I agree with you about their limitations a child-women, vamps, frozen glamour goddesses and such. I love Marlene Dietrich but she was stuck in one persona (but WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION &amp; TOUCH OF EVIL prove her range) I think actors like to be comfortable, but a few mavericks in Hollywood like<br
/> to challenge themselves. Only a few *sigh*. More Meryl less Russell(I should have another Oscar) Crowe. Wasn't he better before he won? And sexier?</p><p>Marcus</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andre Soares</title><link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-232581</link> <dc:creator>Andre Soares</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:24:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-232581</guid> <description>Hey, David,
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the Deborah tribute and &quot;Beyond Paradise.&quot; (I couldn&#039;t put it down, either -- you know, if you have a deadline you gotta deliver...)
(And thanks for letting me know about the problems with the editor at altfg dot com address. I&#039;ll look into that.)
More details via private e-mail.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, David,</p><p>Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the Deborah tribute and "Beyond Paradise." (I couldn't put it down, either &#8212; you know, if you have a deadline you gotta deliver&#8230;)</p><p>(And thanks for letting me know about the problems with the editor at altfg dot com address. I'll look into that.)</p><p>More details via private e-mail.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Hammon</title><link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-232304</link> <dc:creator>David Hammon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:20:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/deborah-kerr-what-lies-beneath/#comment-232304</guid> <description>I enjoyed your tribute to Deborah Kerr almost as much as your book, Beyond Paradise, I couldn&#039;t put it down.   How can I get my copy signed?  I would gladly send it to you and include return postage etc. I tried contacting you via editor at altfg dot com but it comes bad as a bad address, thanks David</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed your tribute to Deborah Kerr almost as much as your book, Beyond Paradise, I couldn't put it down.   How can I get my copy signed?  I would gladly send it to you and include return postage etc. I tried contacting you via editor at altfg dot com but it comes bad as a bad address, thanks David</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
