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	<title>Comments on: Fatty Arbuckle-Virginia Rappe Trial: Q&amp;A with Researcher Joan Myers</title>
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		<title>By: randleland</title>
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		<dc:creator>randleland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our family is looking for ANY information about JEANNE &quot;Dolly&quot; CLARK, who was publicized as having attended the party (a &#039;show girl,&#039; from Kansas City, MO). She might be our biological grandmother.  Thanks, for any help you can lend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our family is looking for ANY information about JEANNE &#8220;Dolly&#8221; CLARK, who was publicized as having attended the party (a &#8217;show girl,&#8217; from Kansas City, MO). She might be our biological grandmother.  Thanks, for any help you can lend.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Semnacher was not the first person to make that claim (nor was he the last).  This was not, however, a claim he made at either the Coroner&#039;s Inquest or the Preliminary Hearing, testimony also given under oath.  

Witnesses Alice Blake and Zey Prevost did not say that they saw Rappe rip her clothing off.  They said that when they entered the bedroom they saw Rappe pulling at the clothing at her waist.  This behavior might have been the precursor to one of those incidents for which Rappe is well known--or perhaps she was trying to loosen the clothing around her waist because one of her major organs had just exploded and her abdomen had distended suddenly and painfully.   

In any event, a propensity for ripping clothing after drinking does not satisfactorily explain a bladder rupture.  Although it does argue phenomenal upper body strength.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Semnacher was not the first person to make that claim (nor was he the last).  This was not, however, a claim he made at either the Coroner&#8217;s Inquest or the Preliminary Hearing, testimony also given under oath.  </p>
<p>Witnesses Alice Blake and Zey Prevost did not say that they saw Rappe rip her clothing off.  They said that when they entered the bedroom they saw Rappe pulling at the clothing at her waist.  This behavior might have been the precursor to one of those incidents for which Rappe is well known&#8211;or perhaps she was trying to loosen the clothing around her waist because one of her major organs had just exploded and her abdomen had distended suddenly and painfully.   </p>
<p>In any event, a propensity for ripping clothing after drinking does not satisfactorily explain a bladder rupture.  Although it does argue phenomenal upper body strength.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joan Myers wrote: &quot;As to the clothes-tearing story…the main source for that information is the spectacularly unreliable Adela Rogers St. Johns.&quot;

I agree about St. Johns&#039; unreliability.  However, the first person to make the claim was Rappe&#039;s own manager who testified under oath to her propensity for tearing off her clothes at parties.  See New York Times, Nov. 22, 1921.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joan Myers wrote: &#8220;As to the clothes-tearing story…the main source for that information is the spectacularly unreliable Adela Rogers St. Johns.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree about St. Johns&#8217; unreliability.  However, the first person to make the claim was Rappe&#8217;s own manager who testified under oath to her propensity for tearing off her clothes at parties.  See New York Times, Nov. 22, 1921.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might develop some discretionary thinking and learn to tell fact from fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might develop some discretionary thinking and learn to tell fact from fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right thank you for that.I&#039;d better start reading &quot;I, Coke Bottle&quot; then,it looks good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right thank you for that.I&#8217;d better start reading &#8220;I, Coke Bottle&#8221; then,it looks good.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.
It is fiction. 

Read a biography of Arbuckle. He never told anything to a &#039;manservant&#039;. 

Jerry Stahl based his book on the biographies and newspaper accounts but added a lot of material. It&#039;s called &#039;dramatic license&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.<br />
It is fiction. </p>
<p>Read a biography of Arbuckle. He never told anything to a &#8216;manservant&#8217;. </p>
<p>Jerry Stahl based his book on the biographies and newspaper accounts but added a lot of material. It&#8217;s called &#8216;dramatic license&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but even though &quot;I fatty&quot; is a &quot;fictionalised&quot; account,isnt it supposed to be taken from the manuscript with all the gumff that Fatty told his Manservant----i didnt just think it was Jerry Stahl just writing for the hell of it.The book is giving the impression that it is taken from true spoken statements from Fatty.I thought that was the whole point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but even though &#8220;I fatty&#8221; is a &#8220;fictionalised&#8221; account,isnt it supposed to be taken from the manuscript with all the gumff that Fatty told his Manservant&#8212;-i didnt just think it was Jerry Stahl just writing for the hell of it.The book is giving the impression that it is taken from true spoken statements from Fatty.I thought that was the whole point.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh well that answers that then.;-]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh well that answers that then.;-]</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Adrian,

&quot;I, Fatty&quot; is a novel. It is fiction. Arbuckle wrote nothing about the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Adrian,</p>
<p>&#8220;I, Fatty&#8221; is a novel. It is fiction. Arbuckle wrote nothing about the case.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been following the Arbuckle story for years now,and I was pretty sure that Arbuckle was innocent,but reading what you have written, has cast doubt again, and also the other thing I relised whilst reading about the case in general,is according to Fatty&#039;s statement he mentions &quot;at no time was I alone with Miss Rappe&quot;.
  But according to Jerry Stahl&#039;s book &quot;I Fatty&quot;[which I know was not actually written by Fatty himself,but it is still supposed to have been dialogue said by him in the late 20s/early 30s]in the Chapter &quot;That sinking Feeling&quot;,Fatty does talk about trying to revive Virginia Rappe  himself,on his own, with a coke bottle and ice on her Vulva,and &quot;felt reeling desire&quot;.If the book,which seems to have been accepted as Fatty in his own words and &quot;what really happened&quot; that night,then this account and his statement do not match.Am I right to think that something does not add up,or is there a simple answer.Even though I do not think that Fatty Raped or murdered the girl,I think that the combination of drink,Miss Rappe at her loosest,and Fatty&#039;s &quot;reeling desire&quot;,and what I have read above,I still have a feeling that &quot;something&quot; did happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been following the Arbuckle story for years now,and I was pretty sure that Arbuckle was innocent,but reading what you have written, has cast doubt again, and also the other thing I relised whilst reading about the case in general,is according to Fatty&#8217;s statement he mentions &#8220;at no time was I alone with Miss Rappe&#8221;.<br />
  But according to Jerry Stahl&#8217;s book &#8220;I Fatty&#8221;[which I know was not actually written by Fatty himself,but it is still supposed to have been dialogue said by him in the late 20s/early 30s]in the Chapter &#8220;That sinking Feeling&#8221;,Fatty does talk about trying to revive Virginia Rappe  himself,on his own, with a coke bottle and ice on her Vulva,and &#8220;felt reeling desire&#8221;.If the book,which seems to have been accepted as Fatty in his own words and &#8220;what really happened&#8221; that night,then this account and his statement do not match.Am I right to think that something does not add up,or is there a simple answer.Even though I do not think that Fatty Raped or murdered the girl,I think that the combination of drink,Miss Rappe at her loosest,and Fatty&#8217;s &#8220;reeling desire&#8221;,and what I have read above,I still have a feeling that &#8220;something&#8221; did happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic, looking forward to your book. Are the &quot;He hurt me&quot; &amp; &quot;Get Roscoe&quot; (on her deathbed) quotes reliable? It seems somewhat unlikely Arbuckle would punch an apparently well known party guest that hard. Especially in light of his recent lucrative contract signing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic, looking forward to your book. Are the &#8220;He hurt me&#8221; &amp; &#8220;Get Roscoe&#8221; (on her deathbed) quotes reliable? It seems somewhat unlikely Arbuckle would punch an apparently well known party guest that hard. Especially in light of his recent lucrative contract signing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will your book be published any time soon? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will your book be published any time soon? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Rappe’s bladder probably ruptured due to external force to the abdomen.  I make absolutely no claims to knowing how that external force was created (only two people on the planet knew that; both of them are dead).  A fall can create an enormous amount of force and is certainly a possibility.  

However, injury by catheter can almost certainly be ruled out. Catheterization took place at about 4:00 am the morning of September 6, about twelve hours after Rappe began giving abundant evidence that something was radically wrong.  According to medical testimony catheterization was effected without incident; the catheter itself was submitted into evidence.  None of the physicians who testified (this includes doctors who treated her when she was alive, those who were present at autopsy, those who performed the later pathological exam of her bladder ordered by the court, and both prosecution *and defense* expert witnesses) ever suggested that a catheterization mishap was responsible for the bladder rupture.  

Arbuckle’s attorneys never questioned the fact that Rappe’s bladder ruptured during the time when she was behind closed (and locked) doors with Arbuckle.  Their position was that absolutely no accident of any kind took place and that Rappe’s bladder ruptured spontaneously due to her allegedly diseased state.  

As to the allegation of quackery (and I assume you derive that idea from Edmonds book?), all I can say is that Edmonds’ definition of quack is different from mine.  All the doctors involved in her care were well respected; many were prominent. I can list their extensive qualifications if anyone is interested.  

Why was Rappe not taken to a hospital immediately?  I don’t know.  All I can do is speculate based upon available evidence.  But I will point out that the time of hospitalization isn’t germane to the cause of the bladder rupture.  

As for Edmonds’ story about the knee in the gut; Edmonds states she was told this story by comic Joe Rock, and that Rock claimed that he got that version of events directly from Arbuckle.  The story is a little strange.  It is not in the least exculpatory and neither Rock nor Edmonds thought the scenario through to its logical conclusion.  If Arbuckle did, in fact, accidentally knee Rappe in the abdomen, he never said a word about it to anyone at the time, including the doctors.  If Rappe died as the result of that alleged blow, his silence constituted manifest negligence, and ergo, he would be guilty of manslaughter.  And since Arbuckle never mentioned this incident while on the witness stand, Edmonds is implying that he lied under oath--which is perjury.  I think that Mr. Rock was yanking someone’s chain.  

As to the clothes-tearing story…the  main source for that information is the spectacularly unreliable Adela Rogers St. Johns.  YMMV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Rappe’s bladder probably ruptured due to external force to the abdomen.  I make absolutely no claims to knowing how that external force was created (only two people on the planet knew that; both of them are dead).  A fall can create an enormous amount of force and is certainly a possibility.  </p>
<p>However, injury by catheter can almost certainly be ruled out. Catheterization took place at about 4:00 am the morning of September 6, about twelve hours after Rappe began giving abundant evidence that something was radically wrong.  According to medical testimony catheterization was effected without incident; the catheter itself was submitted into evidence.  None of the physicians who testified (this includes doctors who treated her when she was alive, those who were present at autopsy, those who performed the later pathological exam of her bladder ordered by the court, and both prosecution *and defense* expert witnesses) ever suggested that a catheterization mishap was responsible for the bladder rupture.  </p>
<p>Arbuckle’s attorneys never questioned the fact that Rappe’s bladder ruptured during the time when she was behind closed (and locked) doors with Arbuckle.  Their position was that absolutely no accident of any kind took place and that Rappe’s bladder ruptured spontaneously due to her allegedly diseased state.  </p>
<p>As to the allegation of quackery (and I assume you derive that idea from Edmonds book?), all I can say is that Edmonds’ definition of quack is different from mine.  All the doctors involved in her care were well respected; many were prominent. I can list their extensive qualifications if anyone is interested.  </p>
<p>Why was Rappe not taken to a hospital immediately?  I don’t know.  All I can do is speculate based upon available evidence.  But I will point out that the time of hospitalization isn’t germane to the cause of the bladder rupture.  </p>
<p>As for Edmonds’ story about the knee in the gut; Edmonds states she was told this story by comic Joe Rock, and that Rock claimed that he got that version of events directly from Arbuckle.  The story is a little strange.  It is not in the least exculpatory and neither Rock nor Edmonds thought the scenario through to its logical conclusion.  If Arbuckle did, in fact, accidentally knee Rappe in the abdomen, he never said a word about it to anyone at the time, including the doctors.  If Rappe died as the result of that alleged blow, his silence constituted manifest negligence, and ergo, he would be guilty of manslaughter.  And since Arbuckle never mentioned this incident while on the witness stand, Edmonds is implying that he lied under oath&#8211;which is perjury.  I think that Mr. Rock was yanking someone’s chain.  </p>
<p>As to the clothes-tearing story…the  main source for that information is the spectacularly unreliable Adela Rogers St. Johns.  YMMV.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not trying to be pornographic or making false accusations.  I am simply saying that nobody knows what happened.  I also know that what happened to me is not a joke and should be taken serious.  The size of a man&#039;s penis can cause damage, serious damage.  I almost lost my life and until anybody can come up with a reasonable explanation for Virginia&#039;s bladder exploding, I think all options should be kept open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not trying to be pornographic or making false accusations.  I am simply saying that nobody knows what happened.  I also know that what happened to me is not a joke and should be taken serious.  The size of a man&#8217;s penis can cause damage, serious damage.  I almost lost my life and until anybody can come up with a reasonable explanation for Virginia&#8217;s bladder exploding, I think all options should be kept open.</p>
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		<title>By: Anotherone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anotherone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, as you state, she could have fallen down. The reports I&#039;ve read say that she was found lying on the bathroom floor when Arbuckle went to use the toilet; he picked her up and laid her on the bed fully clothed; she tore off most of her own clothes (and there were plenty of people who could state that she had a habit of doing this when intoxicated), then fell on the floor.

The drinking and the fall could have done it. There was also one report that Arbuckle accidentally kneed the girl in the abdomen when she tickled him (FRAMED! by Andy Edmonds.)

There were several ways her bladder could have ruptured; the girl was also catheterized by some quack doctors. I would like to know more than anything why she wasn&#039;t taken to a hospital when she showed obvious signs of a surgical abdomen (hardness, thick blood in urine.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, as you state, she could have fallen down. The reports I&#8217;ve read say that she was found lying on the bathroom floor when Arbuckle went to use the toilet; he picked her up and laid her on the bed fully clothed; she tore off most of her own clothes (and there were plenty of people who could state that she had a habit of doing this when intoxicated), then fell on the floor.</p>
<p>The drinking and the fall could have done it. There was also one report that Arbuckle accidentally kneed the girl in the abdomen when she tickled him (FRAMED! by Andy Edmonds.)</p>
<p>There were several ways her bladder could have ruptured; the girl was also catheterized by some quack doctors. I would like to know more than anything why she wasn&#8217;t taken to a hospital when she showed obvious signs of a surgical abdomen (hardness, thick blood in urine.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joan Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness, what a story.  More cynical people than I might almost suspect it of not being true.  Whatever.  I suppose anything is possible, but the medical literature doesn&#039;t turn up even one instance of an intraperitoneal bladder rupture occurring for that quite interesting reason.  You can search yourself, here:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

Forensic evidence definitely ruled out rape (and any kind of previous surgery), but an autopsy performed four days after the event would not necessarily produce evidence of consensual sex.  Arbuckle, however, entered room 1219 anywhere from 20 minutes to a half an hour after Rappe did, so if he was consumed with overwhelming lust it took him a while to figure it out.  Pathological exam on Rappe&#039;s bladder showed evidence of cystitic inflammation, so the reason she entered room 1219 is because she really, really wanted to pee.  It&#039;s not the most erotic scenario…unless you are *very* strange, and if you are Andre will just yank your response, so don’t bother.  But I think we can safely conclude that neither party entered the room to get frisky.
 
You can read about bladder ruptures here: http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2856.htm

From that article:  &quot;Frequency of bladder rupture varies according to the following mechanisms of injury: 

External trauma (82%) (car accident, fall, kicked in the gut, shot, or stabbed)
Iatrogenic (14%) (surgical or other medical screwup)
Intoxication (2.9%) (usually means the drunk doesn’t remember the blunt force trauma)
Spontaneous (&lt;1%) (bladder just explodes for hell of it, statistically insignificant or not bloody likely, pal)

Of all bladder injuries, 60-85% are from blunt trauma and 15-40% are from a penetrating injury.  The most common mechanisms of blunt trauma are motor vehicle accidents (87%), falls (7%), and assaults (6%). In penetrating traumas, the most frequent culprit is gunshot wounds (85%), followed by stabbings (15%).

We can rule out the car accident, gunshot, stabbing, and surgical screwup.  In other words, while there might be other explanations, the overwhelmingly likely reason that Rappe&#039;s bladder ruptured is that she somehow got clocked in the abdomen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness, what a story.  More cynical people than I might almost suspect it of not being true.  Whatever.  I suppose anything is possible, but the medical literature doesn&#8217;t turn up even one instance of an intraperitoneal bladder rupture occurring for that quite interesting reason.  You can search yourself, here:  <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez</a></p>
<p>Forensic evidence definitely ruled out rape (and any kind of previous surgery), but an autopsy performed four days after the event would not necessarily produce evidence of consensual sex.  Arbuckle, however, entered room 1219 anywhere from 20 minutes to a half an hour after Rappe did, so if he was consumed with overwhelming lust it took him a while to figure it out.  Pathological exam on Rappe&#8217;s bladder showed evidence of cystitic inflammation, so the reason she entered room 1219 is because she really, really wanted to pee.  It&#8217;s not the most erotic scenario…unless you are *very* strange, and if you are Andre will just yank your response, so don’t bother.  But I think we can safely conclude that neither party entered the room to get frisky.</p>
<p>You can read about bladder ruptures here: <a href="http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2856.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2856.htm</a></p>
<p>From that article:  &#8220;Frequency of bladder rupture varies according to the following mechanisms of injury: </p>
<p>External trauma (82%) (car accident, fall, kicked in the gut, shot, or stabbed)<br />
Iatrogenic (14%) (surgical or other medical screwup)<br />
Intoxication (2.9%) (usually means the drunk doesn’t remember the blunt force trauma)<br />
Spontaneous (&lt;1%) (bladder just explodes for hell of it, statistically insignificant or not bloody likely, pal)</p>
<p>Of all bladder injuries, 60-85% are from blunt trauma and 15-40% are from a penetrating injury.  The most common mechanisms of blunt trauma are motor vehicle accidents (87%), falls (7%), and assaults (6%). In penetrating traumas, the most frequent culprit is gunshot wounds (85%), followed by stabbings (15%).</p>
<p>We can rule out the car accident, gunshot, stabbing, and surgical screwup.  In other words, while there might be other explanations, the overwhelmingly likely reason that Rappe&#8217;s bladder ruptured is that she somehow got clocked in the abdomen.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee Simooms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee Simooms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is not only far-fetched, it is nothing more than a pornographic fantasy. You have no proof and are making statements without any foundation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is not only far-fetched, it is nothing more than a pornographic fantasy. You have no proof and are making statements without any foundation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be far-fetched, but maybe Fatty&#039;s penis was abnormally large.  From personal experience, a penis can cause serious damage.  My cervix ripped during sex and I almost bled to death. Thinking of this, couldn&#039;t such force in Virginia&#039;s case cause the bladder to explode?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be far-fetched, but maybe Fatty&#8217;s penis was abnormally large.  From personal experience, a penis can cause serious damage.  My cervix ripped during sex and I almost bled to death. Thinking of this, couldn&#8217;t such force in Virginia&#8217;s case cause the bladder to explode?</p>
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		<title>By: Joan Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point, the answers to your questions are:

1:  Dunno, working on it!  No publisher yet.
2.  Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point, the answers to your questions are:</p>
<p>1:  Dunno, working on it!  No publisher yet.<br />
2.  Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken about the principals being dead...I should have phrased this better. I meant that no one who witnessed the events at the San Francisco party--or who admitted to being there-- is alive now.
I look forward to reading this book. When will it be published, and by whom?
And were you able to contact any descendants of anyone who was involved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken about the principals being dead&#8230;I should have phrased this better. I meant that no one who witnessed the events at the San Francisco party&#8211;or who admitted to being there&#8211; is alive now.<br />
I look forward to reading this book. When will it be published, and by whom?<br />
And were you able to contact any descendants of anyone who was involved?</p>
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		<title>By: Joan Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/fatty-arbuckle-virginia-rappe-trial-scandal/#comment-332857</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, all of the Arbuckle case principals are dead now, but that doesn&#039;t mean a history of the case cannot be done.  Everyone who knew George Washington, Napoleon, and Henry II are dead, too.

I have found not a shred of evidence that Matthew Brady prosecuted the case because of his gubernatorial ambitions; as we have excellent, if tiresome, reasons to know, nothing is more visible than political ambitions.  The next California gubernatorial election was in November 1922; Republican Friend Richardson was elected to the office.  Matthew Brady did not run for governor then, nor did he ever; he remained District Attorney of the city and county of San Francisco for 24 years.  There is also no evidence that the prosecution ever considered the case a capital one, nor did they give any indications they were seeking the death penalty.  

The coke bottle rumor developed long after the actual events occurred; no mention of a bottle of any type occurs in any of the news reports, including the legendary Hearst coverage.  And only the third trial jury handed down an acquittal; the first two ended in hung juries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, all of the Arbuckle case principals are dead now, but that doesn&#8217;t mean a history of the case cannot be done.  Everyone who knew George Washington, Napoleon, and Henry II are dead, too.</p>
<p>I have found not a shred of evidence that Matthew Brady prosecuted the case because of his gubernatorial ambitions; as we have excellent, if tiresome, reasons to know, nothing is more visible than political ambitions.  The next California gubernatorial election was in November 1922; Republican Friend Richardson was elected to the office.  Matthew Brady did not run for governor then, nor did he ever; he remained District Attorney of the city and county of San Francisco for 24 years.  There is also no evidence that the prosecution ever considered the case a capital one, nor did they give any indications they were seeking the death penalty.  </p>
<p>The coke bottle rumor developed long after the actual events occurred; no mention of a bottle of any type occurs in any of the news reports, including the legendary Hearst coverage.  And only the third trial jury handed down an acquittal; the first two ended in hung juries.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the principals are dead now. I&#039;d take newspaper coverage of the Arbuckle case with a very large grain of salt--there was a political subtext (San Francisco&#039;s D.A. wanted to be governor, and thought that sending Arbuckle to the chair would guarantee him the job. W.R Hearst wanted to sell newspapers and printed sensationalist stories, including the canard of the Coke bottle rape.)
Three trial juries acquitted Roscoe Arbuckle of murder.
I would be genuinely interested in reading more about Virginia Rappe, who has never been treated as anything more than a venal victim in earlier studies of this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the principals are dead now. I&#8217;d take newspaper coverage of the Arbuckle case with a very large grain of salt&#8211;there was a political subtext (San Francisco&#8217;s D.A. wanted to be governor, and thought that sending Arbuckle to the chair would guarantee him the job. W.R Hearst wanted to sell newspapers and printed sensationalist stories, including the canard of the Coke bottle rape.)<br />
Three trial juries acquitted Roscoe Arbuckle of murder.<br />
I would be genuinely interested in reading more about Virginia Rappe, who has never been treated as anything more than a venal victim in earlier studies of this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre Soares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre Soares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know the details about the Arbuckle case, though I do know that all sorts of wild -- and unfounded -- rumors circulated at the time.

Joan Myers&#039; book should be coming out in the next couple of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know the details about the Arbuckle case, though I do know that all sorts of wild &#8212; and unfounded &#8212; rumors circulated at the time.</p>
<p>Joan Myers&#8217; book should be coming out in the next couple of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happen to be dating the grand daughter of
Virginia Rappe.
My friend, who is now 60, tells me that Fatty
supposedly stuffed a large foreign object into Rappe&#039;s vagina causing severe damage and death.
Any evidence to this which is contrary to her
bladder exploding?
Thanks,in advance.
Mike, Phoenix</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happen to be dating the grand daughter of<br />
Virginia Rappe.<br />
My friend, who is now 60, tells me that Fatty<br />
supposedly stuffed a large foreign object into Rappe&#8217;s vagina causing severe damage and death.<br />
Any evidence to this which is contrary to her<br />
bladder exploding?<br />
Thanks,in advance.<br />
Mike, Phoenix</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 02:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fascinating interview.  Like the other commentators, I&#039;m awaiting this forthcoming book with a great deal of enthusiasm.  Like the William Desmond Taylor case in 1922, this is a case that has needed a serious re-examination.  After all it&#039;s been 30 years since David Yallop&#039;s book, and based on what I&#039;ve seen in this inetrview, there is much more to learn about this case and the people affected by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fascinating interview.  Like the other commentators, I&#8217;m awaiting this forthcoming book with a great deal of enthusiasm.  Like the William Desmond Taylor case in 1922, this is a case that has needed a serious re-examination.  After all it&#8217;s been 30 years since David Yallop&#8217;s book, and based on what I&#8217;ve seen in this inetrview, there is much more to learn about this case and the people affected by it.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating information! I am very excited that there is more to look at about the Roscoe Arbuckle case. I am also glad that finally, someone is focusing on who Virginia Rappe was as a person.  I will definitely buy the book when it is available. Thanks so much for your efforts, Ms. Myers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating information! I am very excited that there is more to look at about the Roscoe Arbuckle case. I am also glad that finally, someone is focusing on who Virginia Rappe was as a person.  I will definitely buy the book when it is available. Thanks so much for your efforts, Ms. Myers!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 08:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wonderfully entertaining yet very informative interview. Very much looking forward to Ms. Myers&#039; book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderfully entertaining yet very informative interview. Very much looking forward to Ms. Myers&#8217; book.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Ellenberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Ellenberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Arbuckle-Rappe case has always been an intriguing subject and Ms. Rappe&#039;s grave is still a popular stop at Hollywood Forever Cemetery. To revisit this provocative story from Ms. Myers well-researched perspective -- I&#039;m sure -- will make a definitive read for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Arbuckle-Rappe case has always been an intriguing subject and Ms. Rappe&#8217;s grave is still a popular stop at Hollywood Forever Cemetery. To revisit this provocative story from Ms. Myers well-researched perspective &#8212; I&#8217;m sure &#8212; will make a definitive read for everyone.</p>
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