Comments on: Ayaan Hirsi Ali and SUBMISSION PART II – Gays and Islam

By: Renee Marren

Renee Marren — Fri, 22 May 2009 15:33:59 +0000

I agree with your statement, “In sum, religious people of *all stripes* should open up. Their beliefs are their beliefs; they should not be imposed on others.” But I do not think the film is saying only Islam but is trying to open our eyes up to what is happening in that religion, because this is her experience. She is not Christian and knows little to nothing about the Christian experience. To criticize them for making a film to educate us on Islam is not myopic:; I never heard a statement that this is only happening in Islam. But is happening there and we need to start a discussion about it.

By: Mehdi

Mehdi — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:17:29 +0000

Please do not judge about a religion only by watching some act of fake followers.
I assure u as a muslim that I’m the firt enemy of these kind of humen (However I’ve doubt about their humanity).

By: raj

raj — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:23:41 +0000

See the film. It’s not hard. One Google search search for “Submission part 1″ will find it.

Now, if anyone knows where to find a copy of “Submission, Part II”, I’d love to know.

By: Andre Soares

Andre Soares — Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:00:27 +0000

Michael,

First of all, thanks for writing. Unfortunately, I don’t agree with some of what you have to say.

I haven’t seen “Submission,” but from what I’ve read the film is about Islam — anywhere. Those verses of the Koran as heard/seen in “Submission” can be applied to life anywhere, from The Hague to Jakarta.

I spent two years in Holland. Met lots of Muslims, many of whom had nothing against gays. Met Catholics who badmouthed — and in one ugly instance discriminated against — gays. The center-right (much more right than center, nowadays) Christian-Democrats were (while the opposition party) against the legalization of gay marriage. Sure, I have no doubt that they saw gays as human. Second-rate humans, that is.

The good thing about Holland is that Christianity — despite all the myriad Christian holidays — is not the law of the land. Else, gays (and women) would be in big trouble.

Also, it’s worth noting that Holland has a large percentage of citizens — more than 40% — who don’t follow any religion, in addition to nearly 10% of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, etc. To say that “We in the Netherlands are christians” is an incorrect generalization.

In sum, religious people of *all stripes* should open up. Their beliefs are their beliefs; they should not be imposed on others.

By: Michael

Michael — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:39:51 +0000

I think you guys are mission the point..

These movies are about the Muslims in the Netherlands and their views that gays are not human. We in the Netherlands are christians however gays are allowed to marry etc. Muslims (who are immigrants) do not agree and are cousing a great deal of problems (generally speaking only the second generation muslims). In my eyes and those of van Gogh and Hirsi Ali these Muslims have to addapt to our culture and the rules that are acceptable in our country. If they don’t like them they can go to a country that shares their values. If you want to life in our country you have to respect our rules and way of thinking. You do not have to agree, respect is all we ask for. Everything is open to debate (or used to be, after the murders on Fortuyn and van Gogh is doesn’t look like it anymore) but violence has to be avoided at all costs.

So in my opinion these submission movies are targeting the Dutch society not the Islam or Muslims. Just the issues that we are facing in the Netherlands

p.s. I know late reply (2 years) just was searching for the second submission movie (don’t think it has ever been produced) and found this website

By: raj

raj — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:07:40 +0000

So, where can we find a copy of the film?!